UCPPS - Prostatitis, Interstitial Cystitis Forum

A mini study into the benefits of using Arvigo Massage to treat and manage male CPPS/Prostatitis:

Please follow the link to view the results and read the report

http://www.thebodyworkspractice.co.uk/arvigocpps.html

Is this a published study? If not, it's little more than an advertisement, Karl.

And I see the link goes to your personal website, where you are in fact the principal, Karl Monahan
http://www.thebodyworkspractice.co.uk/karl_monahan.html

Moving this to the Clinics forum

Hi there.

I posted the results of the mini study on here following a conversation, under 'Support Group next meeting,' with one of your moderators 'carld' who was asking for further information on Arvigo Massage, he was curious about my training but said he would be interested in the study.
I did not post the results on this forum as an advert, purely to show that there may be other therapies out there that sufferers may find helpful. I am the director of the clinic The Bodyworks Practice.

karl1377 wrote:I did not post the results on this forum as an advert, purely to show that there may be other therapies out there that sufferers may find helpful. I am the director of the clinic The Bodyworks Practice.

Good enough... disclosure and all. Though from what I've seen many traditional "normal" pt type practices such as stretching or strengthening of hamstrings/glutes/core and hip and thigh adductors (piriformis, obturator), may either flare patients no end or is long term counter-productive.

--jjf

Hi All,

I wanted to start a thread focused on Uk based TP Therapists specifically ones based in the UK.

Through google search I have only been able to find two establishments who is based in London who seems like they know enough about our condition to possibly help.

Karl Monhan - https://www.thepelvicpainclinic.co.uk/
prostate centre Wimpole street - https://www.theprostatecentre.com/

I have spoken to Karl and I will update my experience with him here. Meanwhile if any of the more experienced members on here could offer advice on how you might screen potential TP therapists it would be much appreciated.

Monahan no longer works at thebodyworkspractice.co.uk — that site and practice is run by his wife.

He now runs thepelvicpainclinic.co.uk from Islington, just north of the City of London.

I had to ban Karl Monahan back in 2012 because he began promoting infection theorists like Simon Rattenbury —a man whose entire training was supposedly in pathology and infection (especially Mycoplasma/Ureaplasma infection)— and who still believes that much of CP/CPPS is infectious in origin (thus breaching our rules viewtopic.php?f=36&t=1642 ). This is not what modern science is telling us, and Simon Rattenbury is therefore an opinion outlier whose theories I won't have promoted at the forum, even indirectly.

Rattenbury is a microbiologist (he claims, cannot find his qualifications anywhere, not even at his Linked-In page) who at the time (2012) was running a lab at the Free Hospital in London. His lab was in financial trouble and going broke, according to documents online that he authored himself. This culminated in him leaving lab work and now he works as a business manager for Serosep, specialising in chlorine sterilisation and fumigation. So you can see why he would have pushed the idea that CPPS is microbial ... more business for his sinking lab.

Rattenbury also took a few swipes at David Wise, implying that the Wise-Anderson Protocol is a money making scam, and since I know that to be untrue, I won't have a man who believes it promoted at my forum — period! There is a high success rate for the Wise-Anderson Protocol, but the 20-30% who are not helped (for a variety of reasons, often poor compliance with the protocol) end up seeing people like Rattenbury, thus giving him the (mistaken) impression of universal failure. None of the successes would visit him, obviously. As a scientist, he should know that, and I suspect he does, but he went ahead and smeared the Wise-Anderson Protocol anyway. Poor show!

Other objections to Karl from our members have been:

1. High prices
2. Lack of privacy at his Harley St clinic
3. Refuses to touch the front part of the internal pelvis (I cannot understand why ... perhaps he thinks that this could be seen as a sexual thing?)
4. Advises clients to use reverse kegels, which I don't recommend because tensing the stomach can be counterproductive. If you do use reverse kegels, make sure to keep the abdominal muscles relaxed

Karl also seem to be in cahoots with Bill Taylor, who is discussed elsewhere on this forum.

Also note this review:
viewtopic.php?p=56477#p56477